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In 2019, Massachusetts-born filmmaker Ivy Meeropol read an article titled \u201cMy List of Hideous Men\u201d in New York Magazine. <\/span><\/p>\n

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She wasn\u2019t familiar with its author, but in the years that followed, she and her camera would come to know E. Jean Carroll intimately. <\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cHideous Men\u201d was an excerpt from Carroll\u2019s forthcoming book \u201cWhat Do We Need Men For?: A Modest Proposal,\u201d and detailed 21 men whom she said had abused her \u2014 one such man being President Trump, who a jury found sexually assaulted Carroll in a Bergdorf-Goodman dressing room.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Meeropol, with a filmography that includes documentaries such as \u201cIndian Point\u201d (2015) and Emmy-nominated \u201cBully. Coward. Victim. The Story of Roy Cohn\u201d (2019), sought to tell the story of not just the 1996 assault, but Carroll\u2019s colorful life. <\/span><\/p>\n

Carroll, a decorated reporter who is now 82, was a pioneer of Gonzo journalism \u2014 a kind of stylized, firsthand narrative writing \u2014 Playboy\u2019s first female contributing editor, the voice behind Elle magazine\u2019s \u201cAsk E. Jean\u201d (one of the longest-running advice columns in American history, published from 1993 to 2019), and the host of a daytime television show of the same name. Later: The first woman to defeat Trump in court. Twice. Once in a civil suit for sexual assault and defamation in 2023, and again in a subsequent defamation suit in 2024.<\/span><\/p>\n

Meeropol\u2019s documentary, \u201cAsk E. Jean,\u201d released in select theaters on May 22, spans Carroll\u2019s early life all the way up to her second victory.<\/span><\/p>\n

Ahead of a screening and visit to Coolidge Corner Theatre, Meeropol gave the Globe a behind-the-scenes look at the film.<\/span><\/p>\n

Interview was edited for length and clarity.<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

Q. <\/b>What was your initial reaction to reading Carroll\u2019s excerpt in New York Magazine?<\/span><\/p>\n

A. <\/b>The #MeToo movement was such a galvanizing moment, and then it had been kind of declared dead, and I think that when I read E. Jean\u2018s piece, I thought, \u201cIt\u2019s not dead.\u201d There are so many other voices, including older women, that we don\u2019t ever hear from, and that young women could really benefit from hearing from.<\/span><\/p>\n

She was speaking, writing so honestly about the incident, and also in her incredibly entertaining and witty way. She was still expressing herself as an unapologetic, strong, hilarious writer, while telling this really difficult and painful story<\/span><\/p>\n

Q.<\/b> How did you get Carroll to agree to the documentary?<\/span><\/p>\n

A.<\/b> I wasn\u2019t able to have direct conversations with her right away. It was kind of a back and forth \u2026 the question was, \u201cIs E. Jean doing a documentary with any other filmmakers, and if she\u2019s not, would she be interested in discussing the idea with me?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

She had told all of the filmmakers \u2014 I found out later that [there were] quite a few pursuing her, it wasn\u2019t just me \u2014 that she wasn\u2019t interested at all. So I kept at it, and eventually a mutual friend who worked at Elle magazine (I guess E. Jean had mentioned to her that I was one of these filmmakers who was trying to talk her into a documentary) said, \u201cOh, I know Ivy. I know her work. You should watch some of her films before you say an absolute no.\u201d And so she watched a film I made that same year about Roy Cohn for HBO, and she said she was just blown away by it \u2026 now she likes to say that when she watched the film, she knew I wouldn\u2019t be afraid of Donald Trump.<\/span><\/p>\n

Q. <\/b>Although you couldn\u2019t have predicted the outcome of the lawsuits, how much of the film had you conceptualized when you pitched it to Carroll?<\/span><\/p>\n

A.<\/b> Oh gosh, hardly anything, really. This project was born out of an instinct I had just reading her piece. \u2026 I didn\u2019t know the extent of her career or what an incredible character she is as a documentary subject.<\/span><\/p>\n

Her voice really made me want to know more about her and hear more from her. \u2026 I didn\u2019t set out with a big plan, because it was a process of discovery throughout, which is an exciting part of making documentaries, but it also can be hair-raising.<\/span><\/p>\n

This was not just about Carroll v. Trump. I didn\u2019t even know early on if she was going to make it to court, because the first battle was to prevent him [from] throwing the case to the [Department of Justice] \u2026 we were getting to record that in real time.<\/span><\/p>\n

Q.<\/b> You ostensibly became something of an E. Jean Carroll scholar over the years. What was it like to go back through her archives?<\/span><\/p>\n

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A. <\/b>I got to go to her storage unit, which is just a dream for documentarians \u2014 unbelievable amount of stuff packed in there, and just the life she led.<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s hard to make a film about a writer in general, but a writer like E. Jean, who had appeared on so many shows and had her own television show during the exact time when she encountered Donald Trump at Bergdorf, it just felt like, \u201cOK, this is meant to be.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

When we started mining [the VHS tapes], watching all those \u201cAsk E. Jean\u201d shows, it became a bigger story because it was about women, and what women were concerned with and asking for and fighting for. E. Jean was kind of at the forefront of that, encouraging women to be more independent, have careers, all during the \u201890s. It was so rich. I mean, there\u2019s so much more that we could have put in.<\/span><\/p>\n

The real sticking point was, how are we going to tell the story of the lawsuits, of that whole experience, when I had no access? \u2026 And then I learned that the depositions had been videotaped, and that if Robbie [Kaplan] and E. Jean signed them over to me, I could use them in the film. That would be the only way, and that\u2019s what happened. And it\u2019s just unbelievable. Those depositions are an amazing piece of material.<\/span><\/p>\n

Q.<\/b> How did you strike a balance between spotlighting the legal proceedings and spanning Carroll\u2019s vibrant life and career?<\/span><\/p>\n

A. <\/b>That was our biggest challenge. This film was really built in the edit room. We had a rough cut at a certain point where there was too much Donald Trump. I think as a filmmaker, I had to really show some restraint. <\/span><\/p>\n

We landed on \u201cOK, let\u2019s frontload the film with a lot of her career highlights and getting to know her,\u201d and then introduce the story of what happened with Trump.<\/span><\/p>\n

You know, you don\u2019t see the shark in \u201cJaws\u201d till three-quarters into the film.<\/span><\/p>\n

Q. <\/b>How did you build closeness, rapport, and trust with Carroll?<\/span><\/p>\n

A.<\/b> E. Jean and I became friends, and I can say that of other subjects that I\u2019ve filmed over the years, but not like this. \u2026 I felt a real responsibility, but I think she got to know me. I mean, it was journalist to journalist. She was constantly asking me questions about my life, also.<\/span><\/p>\n

I became part of an inner circle of just very few people who showed up at court for her who were privy to what was going on behind the scenes. Even if I wasn\u2019t reporting it or documenting it for the film, I was experiencing it with her.<\/span><\/p>\n

Q. <\/b>In the documentary, there\u2019s a decades-old panel in which Carroll suggests that Anita Hill was a \u201cwimp\u201d in the face of her assault by Clarence Thomas, and that if she were braver, she would have \u201cdealt with it on the spot and not have brought it into the country.\u201d How did you contend with complications in Carroll\u2019s legacy?<\/span><\/p>\n

A. <\/b>Those are such important moments because I think they help us understand the world E. Jean was living in. \u2026 The instinct is to be like, \u201cOh my God, that\u2019s so awful. How could you [say] that? How could you not understand what someone like Anita Hill was going through?\u201d But I think it\u2019s the perfect example of how women in general at that time had to accommodate \u2014 as Lisa Birnbach says even more clearly and devastatingly \u2014 the predations of men. They hadn\u2019t seen a movement like #MeToo.<\/span><\/p>\n

Q. <\/b>There was a period of time during the legal proceedings when you didn\u2019t have filming access. Why was that?<\/span><\/p>\n

A. <\/b>I didn\u2019t want to interfere with the lawsuits in any way. One of the only things that the Trump team had against E. Jean was that somehow she was benefiting from coming forward with her story \u2014 that she was becoming more famous, that she was gonna make more money \u2014 it was an interesting realization for me that just my very interest in making a film about her could be used against her. \u2026 I\u2019m not naive enough to think that Trump or his team wouldn\u2019t try to go after me somehow, and they did. I was brought up in the trial.<\/span><\/p>\n

Q. <\/b>In late May of this year, shortly after the film\u2019s release, the Department of Justice launched a criminal investigation into Carroll. Moreover, President Trump has persistently filed to avoid her $5.8 million payout from the sexual assault and defamation case and her $83.3 million payout from the second defamation case. Have you been following these appeals closely? Does it feel like the documentary is a story that could have gone on for many months more as a result? <\/span><\/p>\n

A.<\/b> Just the fight itself was the story. I\u2019ve been in touch with E. Jean a little bit. She\u2019s writing a new book and trying to focus on other things. But that said, [the legal proceedings were] a big surprise. <\/span><\/p>\n

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Q. <\/b>What lasting impression do you hope to leave viewers with?<\/span><\/p>\n

A.<\/b> Taking from the title: Ask women what happened.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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